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PostSubject: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:51 pm

Good news or bad, the Kyrgzs overthrew their government! I say, go Kyrgzs! Their government was sorry, they needed a new one. Very Happy So... another revolution on ex-Soviet territory! Awesome, huh? We love overthrowing governments, as you can probably tell... It's an old tradition dating back many centuries ago. Maybe the Uzbeks and Tajiks will follow suit someday, I think the Kazakhs are doing all right... The Georgian opposition is getting more and more powerful, and so far in the Baltics... Estonia is fairly peaceful, Lithuania has been recently experiencing some unrest, and Latvia is on the verge of something, they have a large population of Russians and Ukrainians who want closer ties with Russia and fair treatment despite their ethnicity, which is despised by their government and some fellow countrymen... Anyway, here's an article...
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Opposition leaders declared they had seized power in Kyrgyzstan on Wednesday, taking control of security headquarters, a state TV channel and other government buildings after clashes between police and protesters left dozens dead in this Central Asian nation that houses a key U.S. air base.

President Kurmanbek Bakiyev, who came to power in a similar popular uprising five years ago, was said to have fled to the southern city of Osh, and it was difficult to gauge how much of the impoverished, mountainous country the opposition controlled.

"The security service and the Interior Ministry ... all of them are already under the management of new people," Rosa Otunbayeva, a former foreign minister who the opposition leaders said would head the interim government, told the Russian-language Mir TV channel.

The opposition has called for the closure of the U.S. air base in Manas outside the capital of Bishkek that serves as a key transit point for supplies essential to the war in nearby Afghanistan.

A senior U.S. military official says some flights were briefly diverted at the base, but as far as military officials in Washington know, the base was never closed. Scheduled troop movements in and out of Afghanistan were not affected. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because base operations are sensitive.

During the day, protesters who were called into the streets by opposition parties stormed government buildings in Bishkek and battled with police amid volleys of tear gas. Groups of elite officers then opened fire with live ammunition.

The Health Ministry said 40 people died and more than 400 were wounded. Opposition activist Toktoim Umetaliyeva said at least 100 people were killed by police gunfire.

Crowds of demonstrators took control of the state TV building and looted it, then marched toward the Interior Ministry, according to Associated Press reporters on the scene, before changing direction and attacking a national security building nearby. They were repelled by security forces loyal to Bakiyev.

After nightfall, the opposition and its supporters appeared to gain the upper hand. An AP reporter saw opposition leader Keneshbek Duishebayev sitting in the office of the chief of the National Security Agency, Kyrgyzstan's successor to the Soviet KGB. Duishebayev issued orders on the phone to people he said were security agents, and he also gave orders to a uniformed special forces commando.

Duishebayev, the former interior minister, told the AP that "we have created units to restore order" on the streets. Many of the opposition leaders were once allies of Bakiyev, in some cases former ministers or diplomats.

Bakiyev may have fled to Osh, the country's second-largest city, where he has a home, Duishebayev said.

Since coming to power in 2005 amid street protests known as the Tulip Revolution, Bakiyev had ensured a measure of stability in the country of 5 million people, but the opposition says he has done so at the expense of democratic standards while enriching himself and his family. He gave his relatives, including his son, top government and economic posts and faced the same accusations of corruption and cronyism that led to the ouster of his predecessor, Askar Akayev.

In the past two years, authorities have clamped down on the media, and opposition activists say they have routinely been subjected to physical intimidation and targeted by politically motivated criminal investigations.

Like its neighbors Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan has remained impoverished since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union and has a history of stifling democratic institutions and human rights.

Kyrgyzstan is a predominantly Muslim country, but just as in Soviet times, it has remained secular. There has been little fear of the spread of Islamic fundamentalism as in other mostly Muslim regions of the former Soviet Union.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin denied any involvement in the uprising.

"Russian officials have absolutely nothing to do with this," he said in Smolensk in response to a journalist's question. "Personally, these events caught me completely by surprise."

He also criticized Bakiyev's government for repeating Akayev's mistakes.

"When President Bakiyev came to power, he was very harshly critical of the fact that the relatives of the deposed President Akayev had taken positions throughout Kyrgyzstan's economy. I have the impression that Mr. Bakiyev is stepping on these same rakes."

The anti-government forces were in disarray until recent widespread anger over the 200 percent increase in electric and heating bills unified them and galvanized support. Many of Wednesday's protesters were men from poor villages, including some who had come to the capital to live and work on construction sites.

Already struggling, they were outraged by the high cost of energy and were easily stirred up by opposition claims of official corruption.

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the U.S. deplored the violence and urged all to respect the rule of law.

"We identify with the concerns that the people of Kyrgyzstan have about their future," but those concerns should be dealt with peacefully, Crowley said, adding that the Manas base was operating normally.

Opposition leaders have said they want the base closed because it could put their country at risk if the United States becomes involved in a military conflict with Iran. Closing it would also please Russia, which has opposed the basing of U.S. troops on former Soviet turf.

The United States began using Manas in 2001, two months after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, and the base has become essential for transportation, refueling and supply for U.S.-led military operations in Afghanistan.

In 2009, Kyrgyzstan said U.S. forces would have to leave Manas, citing improving security conditions in Afghanistan and dissatisfaction over commercial terms for the base. That eviction announcement came shortly after Russia agreed to grant Kyrgyzstan more than $2 billion in aid and loans, and U.S. officials suggested the eviction decision hinged on Moscow's aid.

The government later reversed its stance and agreed to a revised one-year deal giving U.S. troops rights to use the facility. Under the new lease, the rent increased to $60 million a year, from $17 million.

In addition to the annual rent, the U.S. also will allocate $37 million to build new aircraft parking slots and storage areas, plus $30 million for new navigation systems. Washington has also committed to giving Kyrgyzstan $51.5 million to combat drug trafficking and terrorism and promote economic development.

The unrest began Tuesday in the western city of Talas, where demonstrators stormed a government office and held a governor hostage.

The opposition called nationwide protests for the next day and police in Bishkek at first used rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons and concussion grenades to try to control crowds of young men in black.

Police often appeared outnumbered and overwhelmed, sometimes retreating when faced with protesters — including many armed with rocks and others who appeared to be carrying automatic weapons as they marched.

The youths beat up police and seized their arms, trucks and armored personnel carriers.

Some protesters then tried to use an APC to ram the gates of the government headquarters, known as the White House. About a half-dozen young protesters shot automatic weapons into the air from the square in front of the building.

"We don't want this rotten power!" protester Makhsat Talbadyev said, as he and others waved opposition party flags and chanted: "Bakiyev out!"

Some 200 elite police then began firing, pushing the crowd back.

Protesters set fire to the prosecutor general's office and a giant plume of black smoke billowed into the sky.

At one point, police fled across the square from a large group of stone-throwing demonstrators. In another street, some police took refuge behind their shields as one of their colleagues lay unconscious at their feet, his face smeared with blood.

In another area, two policemen, their faces stained with blood, tried to escape as a protester aimed kicks in their direction.

Groups of protesters then set out across Bishkek, attacking more government buildings.

An AP reporter saw dozens of wounded demonstrators lining the corridors of one of Bishkek's main hospitals, a block away from the main square, where doctors were overwhelmed with the flood of patients. Weeping nurses slumped over the dead, doctors shouted at each other and the floors were covered in blood.

Opposition activist Shamil Murat told the AP that Interior Minister Moldomusa Kongatiyev had been beaten to death by a mob in Talas. Later, the Fergana.ru Web site reported that Kongatiyev was badly beaten but had not died, saying its own reporter had witnessed the beating.

Unrest also broke out for a second day in Talas and spread to the southern city of Naryn.

Another 10,000 protesters stormed police headquarters in Talas. The protesters beat up Kongatiyev and forced him to telephone his subordinates in Bishkek and call off the crackdown on protesters, a correspondent for the local affiliate of U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty said.

Some 5,000 protesters seized Naryn's regional administration building and installed a new governor, opposition activist Adilet Eshenov said. At least four people were wounded in clashes, including the regional police chief, he said.

In the eastern region of Issyk-Kul, protesters seized the regional administration building and declared they installed their governor, the Ata-Meken opposition party said on its Web site.

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Associated Press writers Leila Saralayeva in Bishkek, Lynn Berry, Mansur Mirovalev and David Nowak in Moscow, and Anne Flaherty in Washington contributed to this report.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:01 am

For some reason I read the title of this as: 'Krypton's Uprising!' I was going to inform you that Krypton blew up due to radioactive instability in it's core!

Anyway; good for them!
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:16 pm

Dang, I wish I were there. My only problem with this "Revolution" is that our U.s air base in a key base when it comes to the war in Afghanistan.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:16 am

It's not America's base or the Krgyz's base, it's our base! The Soviet Union built it and used it up until the early 90s... It's kind of hard to kick the US out of a base, but if there's any way we can I'd sure be for it. I'm for America's fight in Afghanistan, but they have way to many bases in our territory already. If you look at where American bases in Eastern Europe are located, we're actually surrounded. Not only that, but they're still putting up the AMD systems in Europe, which makes no sense and would prove ineffective of blocking any missles from anyone but Russia, it you do some basic research on those systems. With all that, I cannot believe we're going on with this arms reduction... Reducing arms to 1,550 long-range missles each, that's within the AMD's capabilities to block, it's insane! I think we should've never left our bases in the Baltics, Georgia, Ukraine, Cuba, Vietnam, etc., in 2000-2003/4/whatever, even if we couldn't afford to keep it up entirely, having some troops there would prevent anyone else from occupying it. I'm hoping these ex-Soviet territories will be voting out (or overthrow) their pro-western leaders sometime soon (some already have, ei., Ukraine), I think it's just too large a security threat to us. I'm all for good relations, but it's impossible when one side surrounds the other with their military.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:26 am

Haha, well... Laughing I can tell you it's been crazy over here. My mom and sister finally came out of hiding in our basement today. Razz It's dangerous in our capitol city... Our government claims only 60-something were killed, our opposition counted over 150 killed, over 600 wounded. By the sounds of all the gunfire you'd think more would've been killed, though. What's odd is that this uprising came out of nowhere and only really made itself know two weeks ago... Anyway, I'm sure for them! Russia is jumping in to support our new government immediately, I think Kyrgyzstan is a vital territory for them. I know what you mean, Rayna, also I think the US has over the years been gaining more influence in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, places rich with oil which Russia drills and sells. So it effects Russia's economy, not only their security.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:52 am

That is understandable comrade, I do not like the AMD systems either. I think it was a little aggressive and for no real reason at all. I think Bush started it am I right? But I don't think the u.s is going to move easily if at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:54 am

He makes a point. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:09 pm

Here is a vidio.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:08 am

The US pulled out of a treaty (signed in the 70s) in 2002 that allowed them to deploy missile defense systems in Eastern Europe. Yes, I think it would be somewhat difficult for Kyrgyzstan to kick the US out of a base. Of course, Kygyzstan is an ally of Russia so usually when Kyrgyzstan moves, it was ordered by Russia. Since we support America's war in Afhanistan, we probably won't let Kyrgyzstan [attempt to] kick them out.

Anyway, good video, it shows some good points of the whole event.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:09 am

Yes, very good video, comrade. I just know that's going to happen someday in our country, on the streets of Red Square... Just like that, only 100 times worse and in our land. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:12 am

Let's make a bet on who'll take over. The Bolsheviks, mafia, FSB? Take your pick. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:14 am

That's a tough question.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:18 am

Is Ukrain very close to having a revolution?
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:28 am

I'll predict the SVI, FSB, GRU and Interior Ministry (all used to be one organization: the KGB) get into another feud (while still fighting with the mafia), compromising our national security. Then the terrorists will do alot of major strikes in our country, and Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan will finally gain their independence. This will make our current government very unpopular, and our country will be in chaos. Soooo, the Bolsheviks will use this as an example to Russian citizens of how democracy and capitalism shall always fail, then be restored to power! So yeah, I say the Bolsheviks. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:30 am

Ukraine? They had a peaceful election instead. Voted in someone for close ties with Russia!

Rayna, your prediction might prove true someday. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:31 am

Hmm, It seems that you and Sergei are on at the same time right now:suspect:
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:32 am

I guess there is alot more violence soon to come da? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:32 am

Yeah... We're in the same room... Along with 7 others...
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:34 am

Probably Laughing Commercial breaks are getting longer and longer these days. Not so bad though, otherwise we wouldn't of caught you online here.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:35 am

Seven others?! Do you do anything without your comrades? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:37 am

No. We're comrades... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:38 am

Well if I had an entire troop with me I would probably do the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:42 am

Laughing Entire troop? There's 39 more, but there isn't always enough room... or sodas. Laughing It's just me, Sergei, Igor and some new recruits. We like them to feel involved and welcome, so we try to include them in everything, otherwise they might feel left out and quit. As usual, we always regret this once we get to know them. Just joking. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:44 am

Laughing I knew these people were from Nashi. Nashi must be very active at all times because it seems like you are always very involved.
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PostSubject: Re: Kyrgyzstan Uprising!   Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:46 am

We are very active, but we're not on an official mission or anything. We're all piled at my place watching a disheartening program.
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